• Apogee Duet Drivers Windows

I'm not happy that my Duet FW is soon to be recycled as a doorstop. However, they did support this unit for several years past ending production. This day had to come eventually, and they have already extended its useful life far beyond what many other manufacturers do. (Did you ever own any M-Audio gear?) I just chatted with Apogee, because their email to registered owners suggested I have upgrade options. These are still being defined, and I was advised to check back on Monday. Again, this would be more than what can be expected from most other manufacturers. Regular Posts: 154 Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:00 am Location: Luxembourg.

If we were talking about a cheaper brand I would agree - you couldn't really expect much support once the product is discontinued, even though I do think all should supply a good few years support whatever the cost of the product. However this is a premium brand with a premium price - over £1500 for the Ensemble.

If I had bought one in Jan 2013 I would expect it to be supported for 5 years or more not 2! Even Apple supports it's discontinued hardware for longer.

It's shoddy in my view and has definitely put me off buying from Apogee again. Regular Posts: 81 Joined: Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:00 pm. Phil Foster wrote:It's shoddy in my view and has definitely put me off buying from Apogee again. Were it to be supported I would anticipate using my Ensemble for a good few years to come, it's a fine piece of kit. Maybe the current drivers will work with 10.11, maybe they won't, but sooner or later they'll fail. Either way the resale value of my Ensemble has just dropped dramatically.

There's lots not to like about Avid, but this is good. They have a rule that products will be de-supported 5 years after the last unit is made. This means that the end of support date is shown on their website years in advance and you know where you stand. It's a good system.

What a shame Apogee haven't copied it. CC Jedi Poster Posts: 4984 Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:00 pm Location: Bradford on Avon. All above are good points. I bought my Duet FW years ago on eBay for about €250 as I recall. I've had good use of it. It's a great interface and I was astonished by the difference it made to my M-Audio ProjectMix (that I still own, by the way, now it's only collecting dust). Obsolescence is built into any hardware that relies on software.

That's a fact we need to learn to live with. We also need to live with Apple's insistant urge to change connectors on their computers. One day it's AppleTalk, then it's SCSI, UBS, FW, ThunderBolt, and who knows what's next?

Of course old hardware can't keep up with being current in this mess. I don't like it, but I do understand the hard decisions Apogee had to make in order to meet their business objectives.

Eplan electric p8 free download. Regular Posts: 154 Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:00 am Location: Luxembourg. Tomas wrote:I don't like it, but I do understand the hard decisions Apogee had to make in order to meet their business objectives.

Except that other high end companies don't make these decisions. RME even recently released 'Totalmix' for their long discontinued Fireface 400/800 series. Apogee make very expensive products and are therefore expected to provide a high level of support. There is absolute no reason to trust Apogee again, and I'd advise anyone to go with a company that have consistently earned their reputation for excellent quality and support, like RME or Metric Halo. Frequent Poster Posts: 3535 Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:00 pm.

Just got this from then. Slightly different to first email Due to the fact that Apple is no longer developing their FireWire Core Audio Driver, Apogee’s Duet FireWire and Ensemble FireWire will not be officially supported on OS X 10.11 El Capitan or any future Mac OS X release. While these products may work normally for some users, Apogee will not be able to provide technical support, troubleshooting or bug fixes for any software related issues you experience on OS X 10.11 El Capitan or higher. Please note, Apogee will continue to fully support our FireWire users who remain on Mac OS X 10.10 or below, just as we have done since the products were first introduce in 2006. In addition, we will continue to provide repair services for the hardware components as long as parts continue to be available. Frequent Poster Posts: 3213 Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:00 am Location: The Orient, East London. Received this mail from Apogee: 'Dear Apogee User, In 2003, Apogee released Mini-Me & Mini-DAC, which were the first interfaces to utilize Apple’s FireWire Core Audio driver, included in Apple’s Mac OS X.

Apogee Duet Drivers Windows

Duet FireWire, Ensemble FireWire along with several audio interfaces from other manufacturers’ also take advantage of this driver, meaning that the audio driver needed for your Duet FireWire or Ensemble FireWire comes with your Mac and is supported by Apple. Relying on Apple’s Core Audio driver offers many benefits - low latency performance, outstanding OS integration and the resources of Apple’s superior engineering team. Apple began to phase out FireWire connectivity in 2012 on all Mac computers. With significant improvements to USB audio and the introduction of Thunderbolt, the performance and stability offered with FireWire audio interfaces has been surpassed. As a result, Apple has discontinued development and maintenance of their FireWire Core Audio driver for the new Mac OS X El Capitan.

For this reason, we simply cannot ensure a stable/reliable experience for users of our FireWire audio interfaces who choose to upgrade to this new Mac OS release. Due to the fact that Apple is no longer developing their FireWire Core Audio Driver, Apogee’s Duet FireWire and Ensemble FireWire will not be officially supported on OS X 10.11 El Capitan or any future Mac OS X release. While these products may work normally for some users, Apogee will not be able to provide technical support, troubleshooting or bug fixes for any software related issues you experience on OS X 10.11 El Capitan or higher. Please note, Apogee will continue to fully support our FireWire users who remain on Mac OS X 10.10 or below, just as we have done since the products were first introduce in 2006. In addition, we will continue to provide repair services for the hardware components as long as parts continue to be available.

We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience and thank you for your understanding. Exclusive Offers for Apogee's Registered FireWire Users Receive FREE Apogee Groove with Purchase of New Duet, Quartet or Ensemble Receive FREE Apogee ONE for iPad/Mac with Purchase of New Ensemble For a limited time, if you purchase a new Duet or Quartet and send us your Apogee FireWire interface, we will send you a FREE Apogee Groove. Alternatively, purchase a new Ensemble Thunderbolt and send us your Apogee FireWire interface to receive a FREE Apogee ONE for iPad & Mac or Apogee Groove.' It's easy for me to understand the removal of floppy disks or cd/dvd drives or ethernet ports or even firewire ports.hardware.

It's easy for me to understand some software like the Dashboard that stopped being developed. It's not easy for me to understand the removal of some low lever software that makes Pro Hardware (last sold two years ago) stop working.that's really sad. New here Posts: 8 Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:00 am. I'm totally disgusted at the pathetic excuse offered by Apogee that they rely completely on the OS X firewireaudio driver to continue support for the Ensemble. I paid well over a grand for it a few years back, and it's a great bit of hardware, and one that I use daily. I spoke to their support people and they said that as Apple has removed the firewireaudio driver from El Capitan (what a stupid name for an operating system, by the way) they were powerless to do anything about it. When I referred them to support pages from the likes of MOTU and Focusrite where there are firewire audio products that.are.

supported under the latest OS X they backtracked a bit and said that this was because those manufacturers used custom drivers as opposed to relying on the OS X firewireaudio driver. Then they had the cheek to send me a mail saying if I spent over 2 grand on the thunderbolt version of the Ensemble they'd throw in a crappy little piece of equipment I don't need worth a couple of hundred quid for free. Screw everything about that.

Basically, there is.no technical reason whatsoever. for them to discontinue support for the Ensemble and Duet, they are just taking the lazy way out and don't want to develop their own driver. So, good luck all us folks who bought their hardware, but for the reason cited we're stuffed.

This is world class shoddery on the part of Apogee and I won't be buying anything from them again. Signed, Angry from Brighton! PS: I was nicer to the support guy - it's not his fault. Here is the latter part of that transcript: Me You mention the driver as being an OS component - are there no alternative components in the new OS X build? Apogee Technical Support Correct. The Ensemble and Duet FireWire rely on the Mac OS's FireWireAudio driver, which is not being updated or supported in the new versions of OSX. There is no alternative driver that we could use.

Me That sucks majorly. And the notification is rather last minute, as the new OS X is already pushed live. Apogee Technical Support I apologize that there wasnt more notice on our part. Me Doing a quick google, there are firewire audio products from MOTU and Focusrite that are compatible with El Capitan. I cannot find a page on apogeedigital.com which discusses this in any detail.

Again, I'm sorry to be blunt, but this has been handled very badly by Apogee and I can't see myself remaining as a customer as a result. I shall standby for the Monday announcements, but this leaves me with a very bad taste in the mouth all round. Apogee Technical Support None of the Saffire line of Focusrite is compatible as of yet, neither are products made by UA.

MOTU is compatible, but again, they do not rely on the driver that is being phased out by Apple. While relying on Apple’s rock solid CoreAudio driver had offered many benefits, low latency performance, outstanding OS integration and the resources of a superior engineering team, the challenge is when an issue linked to the audio driver occurs (in this case discontinuation of FireWire connectivity) Apogee is unable to provide a solution. 7:33 PM Me This page would disagree with you.

Apogee Technical Sup port My mistake, they have not updated their compatibility checker: That is where I got that information. In any case, I am very sorry to deliver this news to you, and I wish there was an alternative that I could offer you.

It’s unfortunate but firewire is going away and there’s nothing we can do about that. We hope you reconsider Apogee in the future.

Me Well, I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. I'm pretty angry with the whole situation now, as I have about $6k-worth of useless hardware in perfect working order. Probably time for me to go do some research as to my best options, and it's nothing personal, but Apogee just dropped way down my trust scale on that front. Something doesn't add up here, in that there.is. supported firewire hardware out there for El Capitan, but as a company it seems Apogee don't want to figure out how that can work for their kit.

If Apple had dropped it altogether, fair enough, but they really haven't as far as I can see from googling around, though they may have made it a bit harder. I've got no option but to look elsewhere really. Apogee Technical Support Please understand that our device operates completely different than the companies that are still offering support.

We use the CoreAudio driver in OSX, they use their own proprietary driver. Us using the CoreAudio driver gave many benefits over these years, its only now that its become an issue. Me I understand that, but that's not world class support. 'We use the OS X driver or none at all', even though it is quite possible tow rite a custom driver for those of us with perfectly good hardware that's useless without it.

I'm left high and dry, in other words. Apogee should have been on top of that and if they really wanted to, they could. They just won't.

That's the kicker. The company that made that great hardware we use regularly simple drops support for it when the OS takes away a driver provided. Please convey my feedback if there is a mechanism for doing so, and again, thank you for taking the time. I'm really not having a go at you personally, and I appreciate the time. Apogee Technical Support I will forward this to my team. Happy to be here to provide information, no offense taken. My name is Removed for discretion.

If you have additional questions later on, please return to chat and I'll do my best to assist you. Me Noted, cheers, and I wish you well handling any grief that gets ugly from people who think it's your fault Cheers. Apogee Technical Support I appreciate it!

Have a good day. Frequent Poster Posts: 797 Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:00 pm Location: Brighton & Hove, UK. Unfortunately i bought and Apogee ONE for iPad and Mac (release in 2013) a couple of months ago.

They give cable adapters to 30-pin and lightning connections. What will happen if Apple changes their iPad line to USB-C connectors next year and by 2017 remove the Core Audio 30-pin/Lightning driver from iOS 11? 'For this reason, we simply cannot ensure a stable/reliable experience for users of our FireWire audio interfaces who choose to upgrade to this new Mac OS release.' 'While these products may work normally for some users' Apogee is an Apple only company (and an old partner) and they only warn us on the day the OS is released?

So the driver was removed and they say it might work, they didn't test it? They don't know what to expect? What kind of support is this? They don't know what's going on on Core Audio now? Maybe we should talk to Apple. New here Posts: 8 Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:00 am.

The plot thickens: 'What has changed is that Apple has ceased development of the FireWire Core Audio driver that those devices use to operate. When it was in active development, if we became aware of any software/driver issues we could typically communicate with Apple to get them fixed.

But now that Apple has removed FireWire ports from all of their current-gen computers and optimized Core Audio for USB devices so that it significantly outperforms FireWire, they will no longer be developing or maintaining that FireWire code. What's there in El Capitan is basically 'legacy' code, and if issues develop with it in the future we won't truly have a way to fix them.

This is why we are dropping official support for these devices in 10.11 and beyond, even though they might still continue to work fine on future OS versions. We simply can't guarantee it.' Don for Apogee on Gearslutz (OS X 10.11 El Capitan + say goodbye to Apogee Ensemble firewire). New here Posts: 8 Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:00 am. I commented on this last year with Yosemite.I saw the thin end of a large wedge being created. It's one thing to upgrade software, but when it then makes expensive hardware obsolete, or close to it, there is an almost moral obligation being abandoned.and to those that say 'don't upgrade to the latest OS'.I don't buy that one! Professionals maybe, but there is now a large swathe of people, myself included, who use their expensive, powerful computer to do all kinds of jobs.some may eventually require the upgrade.as much as I hate to say it on an audio forum (gulp).audio is only one thing I do on my computer!

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